SLAVERY: NOT JUST SOMETHING FOR THE SOUTH

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Sometime back, Unionblue mentioned history "skewed to match an agenda." This is such an example.

Yes, I remember that, Ole.  It always amazes me that you people can condemn the South for slavery that happened over 140 years ago,  but take absolutely no responsibility for bringing slaves here, for continuing the slave trade to other nations for years after the South had been destroyed. 

The answer for the continuation of those Abolitionists continuing taking slaves to the sugar plantations, for the ivory trade,etc. is simple: Pure unadulterated greed.

Oh, and let's not forget the hypocrisy of it.  It's terrible to have slavery in the South although the founding fathers had it in the Constitution and no one, that includes the North ever considered the Black man as equal to the White man, and I include your blessed Lincoln here.

So if there is an agenda, sir, I believe your side has one too.  Don't let anyone bring up the fact that you didn't want blacks coming North to take away jobs from white people.  Lincoln himself didn't want the new territories for anyone but

"free white men". 

Perhaps I should start a thread on the way the North treated immigrants now.....not much better than slaves from what I have read.  The only difference is they could quit..but where were they to go?

The North even took immigrants who couldn't speak our language off the boats they arrived on and put them on the battle lines (if they couldn't pay their way out of it) and told them they needed to fight for their new country, which in fact, was the Union side.

Oh, and let's not forget Child Labor! The North was practicing child labor at the same time in their mills and factories as the South was practicing slavery.  Are we to turn a blind eye to that?  Of course they had the option to quit, but there's a funny thing about quitting.  They didn't get to eat!


  According to Wikipedia:

It took the Great Depression to end child labor nationwide; adults had become so desperate for jobs that they would work for the same wage as children. In 1938, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act, which, among other things, placed limits on many forms of child labor.

So when you want to talk about slavery which ended with the war, look at your own track record, sir.  "Skewed history?  Hardly.....just conveniently left out because it doesn't fit in with the noble Northern version of how things were.

I, at least have acknowledged slavery and said that I was deeply ashamed of it.  Can you at least do the same for the Northern part in it?

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[font=tahomaPerhaps I should start a thread on the way the North treated immigrants now.....not much better than slaves from what I have read.  The only difference is they could quit..but where were they to go?
Anywhere they wanted to go. Many went to the midwestern states and further west to start farms. The right to quit is not a benefit?

The North even took immigrants who couldn't speak our language off the boats they arrived on and put them on the battle lines (if they couldn't pay their way out of it) and told them they needed to fight for their new country, which in fact, was the Union side.
Right. At the docks and scattered thru towns were agents that gave immigrants the chance to join the Services. And many did, as many lacked money after paying for transport to a land they hoped had more oppertunity than their homelands.
Oh, and let's not forget Child Labor! The North was practicing child labor at the same time in their mills and factories as the South was practicing slavery.  Are we to turn a blind eye to that?  Of course they had the option to quit, but there's a funny thing about quitting.  They didn't get to eat!
Child labor was Not an Northern thing. It was a normal condition Around the World. Ever read some of the letters and diaries relating to Southern mill workers, many of whom were Children?? Not turning a blind eye there, Are You??

  According to Wikipedia:

It took the Great Depression to end child labor nationwide; adults had become so desperate for jobs that they would work for the same wage as children. In 1938, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act, which, among other things, placed limits on many forms of child labor.

Although not directly related to the ACW, Can agree it took too many years for reforms concerning children. Can you enlighten us to when childlabor laws were enacted in the rest of the World??
So when you want to talk about slavery which ended with the war, look at your own track record, sir.  "Skewed history?  Hardly.....just conveniently left out because it doesn't fit in with the noble Northern version of how things were.

I, at least have acknowledged slavery and said that I was deeply ashamed of it.  Can you at least do the same for the Northern part in it?
Who here has not acknolwedged that there had been slavery in the North. However, by 1860, Every Northern states had taken steps to remove Slavery from them. On the other hand, by 1860, Every Slave state were taking steps to Preserve, and Expand Slavery. And there is nothing Skewed in those facts.
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Who here has not acknolwedged that there had been slavery in the North. However, by 1860, Every Northern states had taken steps to remove Slavery from them. On the other hand, by 1860, Every Slave state were taking steps to Preserve, and Expand Slavery. And there is nothing Skewed in those facts.

Yes there is.

A Northern dominated United States Congress (after several Southern congressmen had left due to secession) voted for a Constitutional amendment to preserve slavery, March 1861.

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Who here has not acknolwedged that there had been slavery in the North. However, by 1860, Every Northern states had taken steps to remove Slavery from them. On the other hand, by 1860, Every Slave state were taking steps to Preserve, and Expand Slavery. And there is nothing Skewed in those facts.

Yes there is.

A Northern dominated United States Congress (after several Southern congressmen had left due to secession) voted for a Constitutional amendment to preserve slavery, March 1861.

And who voted for it?  Did it gain enough support to become an amendment?

Timing is everything.  Picking out one moment in time does not tell the whole story.

Never has, never will.

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