Slavery: Not Just Something For The South
Part XXIX
While I appreciate all the information you have given up to this point concerning the national (US) aspect involvement in the institution of slavery, how does this in any way excuse the South of 1861 leaving the Union in order to protect and expand slavery?
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Welcome, Unionblue. This thread is not supposed to excuse the South of 1861, but rather show how Northerners used ships to transport blacks to this country and to other countries to "become" slaves. We don't read about this aspect of the "noble" North. In fact I've been told several times that this is "old news". Odd to me that as much as I have read on forums I have not seen a single Northerner ever bring up this topic.
I thought it would be nice for this forum to have such a thread that exposes the North's part and how they played it, made money out of it, and yet, with enough guilty conscience, managed to keep it out of school books so that only the South comes out looking bad.
Those slaves didn't swim over here or arrive on Southern ships. ...Pie...
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As for the idea that slavery was a national sin, no serious student of history can deny this, and the idea that this fact is somehow hidden from the history books or on other forums seems a bit desperate.
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This word "desperate" seems to be coming more frequently here and frankly, that sounds a bit desperate to me. Please name for me at least 4 junior high or high school level books that detail the Rhode Island, Connecticut, N.Y. ships: give some names of these ships and how many slaves they were running into this country per month. After all with the textile mills, etc. the North was in great need of the cotton the South was producing too. The reason I ask for this is because I have never seen it before when I was growing up. What I saw was slavery: the South was completely at fault, the North had nothing to do with it, just wanted to stop it, etc. ....Pie...
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As for starting in the "middle" of the slavery story by beginning with the South's secession over the institution, maybe that's when two divergent ideas were finally beginning to collide. One that based it's entire economy on believing human beings were property and the rest of the planet beginning to acknowledge this should not be the case.
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As for starting, as you say, in the middle of the slavery story, I disagree. (Did you really think I wouldn't? 
) As far as what I have read lately the start of the WBTS as a political war over slavery this boils down to two events in 1831. First off, Wm.Lloyd Garrison began (January 1, in Boston) began publishing the Liberator , the newspaper that would begin the radical abolitionist movement.
Up until this point the only type of abolitionism with any popular support was the kind promoted by the American Colonization Society, and it had chapters in both the North and the South. This society's aim was to send freed blacks back to Africa. And let's face it, few people in this country, no matter how strongly they felt about slavery, thought that blacks and whites could or should ever coexist in the same society.
A backlash was created by radical abolitionism, and it created martyrs. A couple of them were: Elijah Lovejoy, a Maine schoolteacher , who became a minister and the editor of an abolitionist newspaper. He'd die at the hands of an antiabolitionist mob in Akron, in the free state of Illinois.
John Brown, 31,(from Connecticut) ran a tannery in New Richmond, Pennsylvania. The huge news of of Lovejoy's murder would affect him deeply; he annointed himself as slavery's avenger, and by attacking a federal arsenal, he made himself a white Nat Turner and met the same fate.
And secondly Nat Turner, in Southampton County, Virginia, in August, same year, led rebel slaves who killled 60 whites....
As far as the rest of your post, Unionblue, your request for another thread, etc., why don't you start such a thread? I have had this one going for quite a while before anyone decided to step in and utter a word. I'm quite sure since you're of the Northern persuasion your cheerleaders will be out in full force. Good luck with that. No kidding. ....Pie....
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I would also request that a thread be begun that talks about former slaves and their struggles in the South after Reconstruction was begun until the present time. We could list the various restrictions placed upon blacks concerning voting, owning firearms, assembly, job restrictions, being forced to live in only certain areas and parts of towns and cities. Being forced to segragate in movie theaters, buses, lunch counters, etc. Being killed when trying to initiate change, lynchings and jail when not able to do so. Fighting for one's country and being forced to do so in segragated units and still being treated as second-class citizens upon returning home. How none of the above was seriously addressed until Lyndon Johnston, the US Supreme Court and the Federal Government had to intervene at the State level with Civil Rights legislation, Brown, and National Guard & Federal troops being sent into schools and cities to insure the enforcement of the already established 14th, 15th and other Constitutional amendments.
I would further suggest we examine the entire nation in this proposed thread, for no state in the Federal Union can claim complete innocence during this period either, in my own opinion.
As an article stated in another post of mine, until we understand slavery as it was in this nation, we cannot understand America as it is.
Unionblue
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Again, I would suggest that you start another thread. My thread is devoted to getting out some well-hidden facts about the North. I'm sure you can repeat a lot of things that you already know about the South and how we're the only "bad guys" in town. Then I'll be able to sell you some real estate in New Orleans.
Again, welcome to the board. ...Pie...[/size]
Oh, and Ole, sorry, but I am tired now and still have not eaten.
Frankly, I think you and I have reached a stalemate anyway. I will never agree with your repitious remarks. Why don't you start a
thread of your own and maybe we can go a round or two.
I'll be back as soon as time permits. I have a job and have to work.
Not to be presumptuous, but do any of you guys work?
Take care and sleep well tonight.
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